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  "Watchtower Beliefs Clarified", JW.ORG site Ripe for the Picking.

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i can just hear them now.

  oh, how wonderful that the faithful and discreet slave is by going to bat for us against those wicked apostates who are always trying to dig up mud, especially from the older publications.

  hey, they even go all the way back to the year 1870. hey, they even concede, with this timeline, the triple flip-flop of changes that the superior authorities teaching was changed to position no.

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  FatFreek 2005

  I didn't see anything about blood fractions being permissable.

  I also didn't see anything about the allowance of organ transplants.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Crime Against Grammar

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so this is really starting to grate on me the more i think about it because it's just wrong grammatically.. one of my friends always refers to me used to being "a jehovah witness" which used to grate whenever she said it but now it seems more correct.. think about it this way: bruce springsteen has fans.

  they are fans of bruce springsteen or, bruce springsteen's fans.

  but each of them isn't a bruce springsteen's fan.

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  FatFreek 2005

  I've watched several of the "Kim Mikey" videos (I suppose those are the first names of this husband / wife team -- a good team in my opinion). Mikey consistently uses the term "Jehovah Witnesses" and it grated on me at first -- and I've been out for some 39 years. However, you make a good argument that pluralized "Jehovah's Witnesses" is incorrect.

  Thanks.
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  "Watchtower Beliefs Clarified", JW.ORG site Ripe for the Picking.

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i can just hear them now.

  oh, how wonderful that the faithful and discreet slave is by going to bat for us against those wicked apostates who are always trying to dig up mud, especially from the older publications.

  hey, they even go all the way back to the year 1870. hey, they even concede, with this timeline, the triple flip-flop of changes that the superior authorities teaching was changed to position no.

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  FatFreek 2005

  I can just hear them now. Oh, how wonderful that the Faithful and Discreet Slave is by going to bat for us against those wicked apostates who are always trying to dig up mud, especially from the older publications. Hey, they even go all the way back to the year 1870. Hey, they even concede, with this timeline, the triple flip-flop of changes that the Superior Authorities teaching was changed to position no. 2 in 1929, then to position no. 3 in 1962.

  Chalk one up for Watchtower. First, I have to applaud Watchtower for finally legitimizing the older publications because that is what this web page does. However, it gives us one more weapon when a JW uses that lame excuse as we show them some ridiculous or contradictory teaching published by them that is older than, say, the year 2000. "Oh, that's old truth and we only go by new truths."
  

  I say, Thanks, Watchtower -- cuz we don't have to listen to that alibi any longer.
  

  But that Superior Authorities blunder was just a token.
  

  A cursory search for a few of my favorite Watchtower blunders reveals the following:
  

  1. "The 1,260 Days". The Clarification site reveals a single change, that in 1993. However, here's a link to where some 5 years ago a compiled list revealed 10 different published Watchtower positions for when that time period began, and when it ended. I've since updated that table (but not published it) to include their very last change in 2014 (begins "1914", ends "early 1919").
  

  If you're counting, that makes 11 different published Watchtower positions for a single doctrinal position -- not 2, as Watchtower is claiming.
  

  2. Resurrection of the Sodomites. The Clarification site shows a single change, that in 1988. However, this essay shows 8 different published Watchtower positions beginning with 1879 when they first thought Sodomites would be resurrected. Each subsequent change over the years till 1988 reminds me of certain modern day politicians as they change their stance on some issue -- yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no.
  

  An abstract to the above essay link says that it was "designed for newly interested ones but JWs had better be prepared. More and more householders are asking the JW an embarrasing question contained herein. "The Great Watchtower Contradiction" exposes Watchtower by revealing the single most outrageous Watchtower contradiction that most of us (ex-JWs) have seen and that most JWs have not seen. It goes beyond the regular exposé by answering two vital questions: why they've contradicted themselves on this single issue and why most JWs are not even aware that it's happened. It does it from Watchtower's own publications and encourages the person to get their own WT Library CD for verification. It does it without arguing subjective doctrine, which, as you know is like talking to your cat. It's An 11 minute read, 19 minutes if you include all the supporting endnote references."
  

  Watchtower's attempt at clarification of changes shows that they are either ignorant of contradiction or blatantly and dishonestly put it aside. In either case, the spirit direction that their governing body is getting is clearly not the same as the one to which it lays claim.

  Len
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  I Think I have Found a Way to Litigate

  by Simon Templar in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been thinking about how the wtb&t society bullies all of its members into submission with the threats they use (by practice), i.e.

  “if you do this we will df you and you will be shunned”.

  “if you da yourself, we will make an announcement and your friends, relatives and family will abandon you”, etc.

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  Nathan Natas: ALL of us made a BAD DECISION when we "decided" to be baptized as JWs. At some point you just have to accept responsibility for you MISTAKES, FORGIVE YOURSELF . . .

  To those who did, in fact, get baptized -- that is true. However, not all who receive the shunning treatment have been baptized. Case in point is here on another thread that is running right now, Shunning & separation from family. There, the OP states:
  

  I was raised in JW as a child. My dad was a jw my mom was not, they are divorced now. I was never baptized or anything but I stopped going once I had the choice at age 12. Now I am 41 and my dad will not associate with me, my wife or my 3 kids.

  And his is not unusual. One of my sons, now 54, decided to not get baptized before leaving home. He continued to have a family relationship till a few years ago when they virtually cut him off, shunning included. I suspect that the org has put the hammer down -- even on unbaptized ones who had long exposure to Watchtower stuff -- not long ago.
  
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  I Think I have Found a Way to Litigate

  by Simon Templar in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been thinking about how the wtb&t society bullies all of its members into submission with the threats they use (by practice), i.e.

  “if you do this we will df you and you will be shunned”.

  “if you da yourself, we will make an announcement and your friends, relatives and family will abandon you”, etc.

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  smiddy: they are nothing more than volunteers who choose of their own violition to follow suggestions made by the organization .

  Those aren't simply suggestions by the org. They are directions that if not followed are backed up with punitive action. Next to death, they are the most punishing actions I know of, separation of family.

  Nobody in the organization forces anyone to comply with their directions , you do so voluntarily .

  ditto.

  The r&f member doesnt have to abide by that pressure , they can choose not to ,they are responsible for their own actions and nobody else.

  ditto.
  

  Island Man: They will say that members are exercising their personal religious convictions when they choose not to associate with you.

  again -- ditto.
  Len
  
  
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  Contradiction of recent WT statements

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so we all know of some (in)famous quotes that the wt has said in recent years.. the one that comes to mind is: (this is just from memory, so please feel free to add the proper links / references).

  "we must be willing to obey the direction from the gb no matter how strange it seems from a human standpoint".

  so, how does that "direction" / "command" to obey the gb fit in with feb 2017 statement:.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Hi Stuckinarut2,

  I seem to recall what you paraphrase but can't find it. However, perhaps the following quotes can help. Note that one of them provides evidence that they claim that the governing body is the same as the faithful and discreet slave. Talk about arrogance and presumptuousness.

  *** km 6/95 p. 1 par. 4 Jehovah Imparts Power ***

  By Following Theocratic Direction: "Theocracy" means "rule by God," who is love. We benefit from his rule by accepting his authority and following his instructions in large and small decisions. "The faithful and discreet slave" represents theocratic rule on this earth. (Matt. 24:45-47) Cooperation with the organization that the "slave" uses is vital if we are to obtain Jehovah’s blessing. (Compare Hebrews 13:17.) Jehovah will reward our loyalty to him and our willingness to obey his laws by supplying the power we need at the appropriate time. -- Heb. 4:16.

  *** w09 10/15 p. 15 par. 14 "You Are My Friends" ***

  How, then, can we be friends of Christ? One way is to obey the direction provided by the faithful and discreet slave class, which consists of Jesus’ spirit-anointed brothers still alive on earth.

  *** lv chap. 4 p. 43 par. 15 Why Respect Authority? ***
  

  Jesus, in turn, has assigned his "faithful and discreet slave" to look after the spiritual needs of God’s people on earth. (Matthew 24:45-47) The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses serves as "the faithful and discreet slave." As in the first-century Christian congregations, elders today receive instructions and counsel from the Governing Body, either directly or through its representatives, such as traveling overseers. When we as individuals respect the authority of Christian elders, we are obeying Jehovah.
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  117 Adams Street, Brooklyn -- Mean anything to you? I just received my order from ....

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  that former watchtower address caught my eye at the bottom of my received order.

  etsy.com has apparently bought that large brooklyn structure and it sells sundry items.. i'd bought some dishwasher safe labels for us, my sis in law, and a sweet neighbor of ours.

  the generous neighbor does lots of sharing of her dished and bowled goodies with others and those paper mailing labels she puts on the dish bottoms are defenseless in our dishwasher..

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  FatFreek 2005

  To us it does seem bizarre. However, Etsy may not be the only company that uses that structure -- and address.
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  117 Adams Street, Brooklyn -- Mean anything to you? I just received my order from ....

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  that former watchtower address caught my eye at the bottom of my received order.

  etsy.com has apparently bought that large brooklyn structure and it sells sundry items.. i'd bought some dishwasher safe labels for us, my sis in law, and a sweet neighbor of ours.

  the generous neighbor does lots of sharing of her dished and bowled goodies with others and those paper mailing labels she puts on the dish bottoms are defenseless in our dishwasher..

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  FatFreek 2005

  That former Watchtower address caught my eye at the bottom of my received order. Etsy.com has apparently bought that large Brooklyn structure and it sells sundry items.

  I'd bought some dishwasher safe labels for us, my sis in law, and a sweet neighbor of ours. Haven't tried them yet so we'll see. The generous neighbor does lots of sharing of her dished and bowled goodies with others and those paper mailing labels she puts on the dish bottoms are defenseless in our dishwasher.
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  Spy camera wanted, motion activated, wireless, etc.

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  okay, it doesn't have to be a spy camera.. it must be something wireless that send signals to my android smart phone.

  and some of those spy cameras seem to have fairly good features but they are also scary.

  their descriptions are obviously translated from some other language and i would worry about decent customer support.. i'd simply like to be notified the moment a certain cabinet door (actually, two doors) is opened.

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  FatFreek 2005

  You're the man, Fisherman. That's a wealth of information. Thanks for those tips.
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  Tyler McCumber wins PGA tour event in Peru

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  tyler mccumber, no, you probably don't know of him.

  he may be one of jehovah's witnesses.

  his dad, mark, was a member the last i knew.. .

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  FatFreek 2005

  That's amongst the best news I've heard in a very long time, Millie210.

  I followed the success of Mark along with many of the other top pros back in the 80s. That was way before I even knew of his JW involvement.

  On my bucket list (I'm now 76) I just now added a potential item thanks to your post. Find out more about a three-day golf clinic put on by Mark and one of his nephews, Josh. It may cost a bundle but he puts it on at TPC Sawgrass, a world-renowned course and facilities. It'd be a chance -- maybe -- to meet him (if he's indeed out of the cult) and share war stories.